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Jun. 5th, 2010 | 12:24 pm


Suppose a Palestinian Gandhi were to arise, who rejected violence, even violence in response to violence. Who worked to free the Gazans and the Left-Bank Palestinians, but steadfastly condemned violence as a method to achieve political goals. Imagine this approach sweeping through the conciousness of all the Muslims in the region, and imagine them saying to Israel: "We will never harm you, but we will never give up our rights, either." Imagine them persisting in this path despite Israeli persecution and provocation. I claim that eventually there would be peace.

Now imagine the Israelis doing the same. I claim that eventually there would be genocide.

The Israelis may be assholes, but they have been and are still fighting for their lives. Soldiers will always succumb to moral failings. Best not to have them at all.

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se-hei-ki

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from: se_hei_ki
date: Jun. 5th, 2010 08:02 pm (UTC)
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My dislike of Gandhi aside, I don't understand how you can make this argument when it is the Israelis who continue with the illegal settlements. Yes, Israel was invaded early in its history. I am sure that there will always be fundamentalists on both sides, but when I was in Egypt many of the people there claimed to have nothing against them. Many of them even acknowledged that much of the conflict was political in origin and did not concern them.

The Israelis and the Arabs come from Ishmael and Isaac who were brothers. Mohammed was also very clear that the Jews and Christians should be treated with respect as "People of the Book".

I am not saying you are wrong, but I would be interested in hearing your rationale :)

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Ezekiel Lucian Lyon

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from: joyinthedark
date: Jun. 5th, 2010 10:35 pm (UTC)
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Kudos for the public anti-Gandhi statement. I am deeply ambivalent about him but poorly-informed Westerners gloss over his failings in their desire to have a saint to worship. I've always preferred R. Tagore.

I'm not actually well-versed in the politics of the region. How many of the neighboring states have recognized Israel's statehood, and when did they do so? My perception is that if the Israelis let down their guard there are plenty in the region who would try to obliterate them. On the other hand, the Israelis have never exacted full blood-price from those who have attacked them, and for that I praise them.

Yes, the Israelis are dhimmi, but I wonder how much mercy that would buy them if they lacked the power to protect themselves.

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se-hei-ki

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from: se_hei_ki
date: Jun. 7th, 2010 01:52 am (UTC)
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Yeah, I am not entirely sure. I don't really have a problem with them having an active defense so much as their treatment of Palestine. The reason they do it is of course logical. Just as logical as the Bush Doctrine of preemptive action. It is also much easier because you are fighting on soil other than your own.

That being said I just can't help but feel it isn't right.

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